tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post7936068270594217574..comments2023-07-04T06:58:32.627-04:00Comments on View on the News: They're at it againMoehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13612323587459830074noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-63237941408468588622009-04-03T10:23:00.000-04:002009-04-03T10:23:00.000-04:00Retesting at a given age would be the right thing ...Retesting at a given age would be the right thing to do, however, our local legislators need miricle grow sprinkled on their chairs. They would never and i mean never support a bill that would go against their senior voters. Because, lets face it. The seniors are the constant voters no matter who's on the ballot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-48040074256962245182009-04-01T11:50:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:50:00.000-04:00Boy on that point I do agree with you Brant. The ...Boy on that point I do agree with you Brant. The stops are insane and are wrong. They assume that someone is guilty and the cops have NO RIGHT to ask where you are going or what you are doing unless you are committing a crime. <BR/><BR/>Freedom FirstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-72934116694628478532009-04-01T10:23:00.000-04:002009-04-01T10:23:00.000-04:00What are you proposing? Checkpoints on every road ...What are you proposing? Checkpoints on every road at every hour of the day to catch the stray drunken driver? It seems to me that police are catching a lot of drunken drivers. And I do find random checkpoints on our roads to be an infringement on my rights and the rights of everyone else who is stopped. We have a secondary seat-belt law, yet police are allowed to have checkpoints where they check everyone for seat-belt use. Last year, state police conducted a checkpoint on my road. I stopped and was asked to provide my license, registration and proof of insurance. Then the trooper asked me where I had been and where I was going. It's none of his GD business where I was and where I was headed, but I complied because I didn't want to sit by the side of the road while they called in the drug dogs and tossed my car. If there has been a major crime spree in an area, or if there has been a bunch of drunken-driving incidents in the area of a particular bar, then you have cause for such stops. Otherwise, it's just wrong.Branthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10472711158045753698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-35459756950586247782009-04-01T10:04:00.000-04:002009-04-01T10:04:00.000-04:00No Brant -- nobody really wants to touch the drunk...No Brant -- nobody really wants to touch the drunken driving issue because it hits too close to home. Politicians don't want to change laws because they know they might be one of the first to get snagged. The general public don't want changes because they too are concerned they might be snagged. Some attempts (e.g. sobriety checkpoints)at enforcement are decried as "infringement." <BR/><BR/>Our society has just developed a tolerance for these 17,000 annual deaths. For example, yesterday's news included a story about pistachio nuts. I think one million pounds of nuts were recalled. Why? Two people got sick. We don't have a tolerance for tainted food, but we have a big tolerance for drunken drivers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-15357058705226994262009-04-01T08:23:00.000-04:002009-04-01T08:23:00.000-04:00No Brant, just stating how I view things.I like no...No Brant, just stating how I view things.<BR/>I like not having a helmet law, I have one momma and I have one pappa and I don't NEED the government to take their place.<BR/>I want and desire to be free including the right to make bad decisions.<BR/>Now with that said, if I choose not to wear a helmet and it leads to my death (and it obviously doesn't effect anyone else) that should be my choice.<BR/>and no I don't care about increased insurance rates due to it. Freedom should not be curtailed due to insurance company rates. I can't even imagine what men like Jefferson or Adams would have thought of that strange modern logic.<BR/>It is also a slogan of the NRA (vote freedom first) and other groups.<BR/><BR/>Freedom First baby!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-85509577776299912312009-04-01T06:29:00.000-04:002009-04-01T06:29:00.000-04:00Um, uh, we already have very strict laws against d...Um, uh, we already have very strict laws against drinking and driving. That threat has been addressed. Now, maybe you want to spend more money on enforcement or impose even tougher penalties. That's another subject for debate, and we can do that here, if you'd like. But to suggest that the problem is being ignored is patently ridiculous. We, the taxpayers, spend tens of millions of dollars on this issue. And to say only a few people care is also absurd. Also, drunken-driving fatalities fell in 2007 across the nation. However, drunken-driving fatalities are up among motorcyclists. Wonder how many of those folks might have been saved by wearing a helmet? But the real issue is this: We should not ignore the threat posed by impaired elderly drivers, just because there's a bigger threat posed by drunken drivers. Both deserve our attention. Your argument is akin to saying that we shouldn't get too worked up over rape cases because murder is a bigger problem. And to the last poster, when you repeatedly say "Freedom First," are you trying to surreptitiously advertise for the federal credit union of that name?Branthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10472711158045753698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-28882807421477744002009-03-31T22:52:00.000-04:002009-03-31T22:52:00.000-04:00I could not agree more.Freedom FirstI could not agree more.<BR/><BR/>Freedom FirstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-5543013161876180402009-03-31T20:18:00.000-04:002009-03-31T20:18:00.000-04:00These posts are almost funny, if the situation was...These posts are almost funny, if the situation wasn't so sad. Here we read numerous arguments for testing older drivers because they might not be safe on the roads. To be sure, some fatalities happen, such as the ones cited.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, 17,000 people die from drunken driving every year, 40,000 are injured, and the cost because of loss of productivity into the billions. And, guess what? Only a few people care.<BR/><BR/>The reason for the drunken driving accidents is no mystery. No blue ribbon panels are needed to investigate, no congressional hearings (hence, no grandstanding), or no multi-million dollar reports are needed. The reason is well understood and known. But, while people sit around the table and talk about an age for testing older drivers (to prohibit a few deaths), thousands are being killed by drunken drivers. No to discount those loosing their lives because of elderly drivers, but put your energies where it will save the most lives. This debate is only to obfuscate a much more important problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-45535766101322416442009-03-31T14:11:00.000-04:002009-03-31T14:11:00.000-04:00All Drivers, see Brant that is where POLITICS will...All Drivers, see Brant that is where POLITICS will lead, it can't help but go there. Then you have the ADD and more to consider. That is why it is a slippery slope in the real world of political gamesmanship, versus the fantasy world of something just working the way you want.<BR/><BR/>Freedom FirstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-8307927153937013922009-03-31T10:54:00.000-04:002009-03-31T10:54:00.000-04:00Wait until you folks reach age 70 - right now you ...Wait until you folks reach age 70 - right now you think it's really old, but I think you won't feel that way once you hit the milestone. I think testing is a good idea..but I wonder if testing will reveal all problems. Maybe this 82-year old woman would have passed the test. And shouldn't the 80 year old have been tested as well - his reflexes didn't get him out of the way like a younger person could have. I also agree that it's a terrible thing to prevent people the freedom of driving...and not all seniors live on a bus line or can rely on senior citizen bus services...I've read stories in the paper that sometimes they wait 2 or more hours for a bus to show up that never comes. We need much better public transportation if we're going to prevent the elderly from driving. It's a complicated problem but I think testing every 10 years for all drivers is a good idea. Medical problems aren't confined to the elderly. And we absolutely must do something about people who text and phone while driving - those teens scare me much more than a pokey old driver who "sits low and drives slow."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-6646959973698957202009-03-31T08:22:00.000-04:002009-03-31T08:22:00.000-04:00My mother, who is 72 and not a bad driver, would p...My mother, who is 72 and not a bad driver, would probably appreciate being tested since it would prove to herself and her family that she is fully capable of driving. On the flip side, this could give some seniors a false sense of bravado. Also, even if they fail the re-test and have their license taken away, there will most likely be seniors who still get in their cars and go.amomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02490523872133779186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-78153160765796003802009-03-31T06:48:00.000-04:002009-03-31T06:48:00.000-04:00So, Mr. Slippery Slope, what's your answer to this...So, Mr. Slippery Slope, what's your answer to this growing problem? We can say that doctors and families have the front-line responsibility to take action when grandpa and grandma are losing their driving skills and faculties, but clearly they're not getting the job done. I guess, in your mind, we just continue to let thousands of elderly people be a threat to themselves and others, just as we refuse to do something about the hazard of people talking on the telephone, and even texting, while they drive. Tackling this specific problem is not a "slippery slope." There's a specific problem that needs a specific solution. Once again, I ask, do you propose no restrictions on driving. We already have plenty. Has that been a "slippery slope," and if so, where has it led us, in your opinion?Branthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10472711158045753698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-20409533526650955962009-03-31T00:04:00.000-04:002009-03-31T00:04:00.000-04:00Hence the slippery and expensive slope and the uni...Hence the slippery and expensive slope and the unintended consequenes of an action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-41632018222598280322009-03-30T17:39:00.000-04:002009-03-30T17:39:00.000-04:00If we are going to do it, I say everyone should ha...If we are going to do it, I say everyone should have to do it. I mean ... there is no specific age cutoff when health problems start happening so perhaps it's best if the tests are done all along. <BR/>Maybe it could alternate ... the first time you renew your license, you take the driving portion over. The second time, you take the eye text over. The next time you take the driving test again, ect.Dawn Kellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14150084228136300274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-20881716762920760352009-03-30T17:35:00.000-04:002009-03-30T17:35:00.000-04:00I used to think that this was a good idea to remov...I used to think that this was a good idea to remove older individuals from the road. Until. . . I realized that to do so would mean to confine them to their homes. It's one thing to take their licenses if there is suitable bus transportation, but most cities cut back to where the sighting of a bus is a rare occurrence.<BR/><BR/>God forbid the hospitals of the world provide this type of transportation over a wide swatch.<BR/><BR/>I know there are senior care programs that offer rides but these too are few and far between. If I get to that age, I would gladly give up my license if I had some way to get to where I needed to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-68591093782862943982009-03-30T14:56:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:56:00.000-04:00To anonymous, I would say, "Get real." You have to...To anonymous, I would say, "Get real." You have to be cognizant of the cost of such a program and target it toward the real issue. The elderly are, far and away, the people with the highest level of health-related and age-related problems that affect ability to drive. It's very clear from the numbers that this group, as a whole, represents a danger, and as America ages, it's a growing danger. I'm curious as to your reasoning for opposing this. Is it a strong libertarian streak? If so, as Brad says, one can assume you would be in favor of no controls whatsoever on our driving privileges. And that would be idiocy.Branthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10472711158045753698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-83556775402283787462009-03-30T14:39:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:39:00.000-04:00Well, if you want to follow the logic of "Anonymou...Well, if you want to follow the logic of "Anonymous," why give a license to anybody? Let's just do away with those, along with license plates for that matter. And insurance. And speed limits. Let the highways of America be a free-for-all! And if you get killed by a hormone-hopped 13-year-old going 85 MPH, die happy in the knowledge that he was exercising his rights in a deregulated America!<BR/><BR/>--Brad HundtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-37537480822187605902009-03-30T14:37:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:37:00.000-04:00i think 65 should be the age and retested every 5 ...i think 65 should be the age and retested every 5 years. working in the insurance industry, i cannot tell you how stubborn people can get in their elderly age when it comes to admitting they cannot do something.Cheryl Chamberlainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15130314565496860381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-51336575994586436202009-03-30T14:26:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:26:00.000-04:00Why not everyone be tested as health related issue...Why not everyone be tested as health related issues can happen at any age that impair driving? If we are going to add more regulation, why not head where the slippery slope is leading?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-39024981750701220602009-03-30T14:23:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:23:00.000-04:00I think 70 would be the right age. I think drivers...I think 70 would be the right age. I think drivers that age should have to be "re-certified" or something just to make sure their reflexes are still good, their vision is all right, and most important, to verify that they're aware that it's no longer 1945 and there are LOTS more cars on the road going considerably faster.PRIguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01762536815257132644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-28436473229385361902009-03-30T13:54:00.000-04:002009-03-30T13:54:00.000-04:00We'd have to balance the cost of something like th...We'd have to balance the cost of something like this with the potential benefits. I'm thinking maybe 70.Branthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10472711158045753698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6137997322301347949.post-21199114847841678622009-03-30T13:48:00.000-04:002009-03-30T13:48:00.000-04:00Sounds like a good idea. To be sure, there are a l...Sounds like a good idea. To be sure, there are a lot of seniors out there who are perfectly fine drivers, and that fact would become apparent if they were tested.<BR/><BR/>What age should the testing start? 75? 80? Any thoughts?<BR/><BR/>--Brad HundtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com