Friday, September 4, 2009

Oh, say, can you see (how stupid our country is becoming)

There’s been an incredible – and ridiculous – controversy brewing over President Obama's plan to speak to the nation’s schoolchildren next week. There are school districts across the country that are actually deciding whether the president of the United States should be allowed to talk with the children of this country via video link, or whether to give children whose parents object the opportunity to opt out of the session. The White House says the speech is simply a means for the president to "challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning." But to hear the opponents talk, what he really wants to do is hypnotize our youngsters so they will blindly follow him as he takes our guns, closes our churches and imposes his diabolical plot for a one-world government headed, of course, by Obama. Here were the remarks of one parent quoted in a Denver Post story. It pretty much says it all. "I don’t want that man talking to my children," said Christina Huff. "Look at other leaders who had socialistic policies and chose to talk to children. This would include Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Castro. I will keep my kids home from school that day, and we will re-read the Declaration of Independence." Maybe the kids can help her with some of the bigger words.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be so stupid Brandt. It's NOT up to President Obama to teach my children anything because anything he says will be tainted with Marxist propaganda! Hell, the stupid jackass can't even explain his communist ideas
to adults! Without a teleprompter he is just a babbling idiot.

September 4, 2009 at 1:35 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Thanks for helping to make my case.

September 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a problem with government programming kids through presidential commercials. Is he going to give them the right to vote? If not, then leave them alone. If it's an educational address to teach civics then that would be okay. Let's hope he'll teach them to learn as much as they can about both or all positions to an issue and make an informed decision for themselves. There's sure not enough civics being taught these days. Of course kids' textbooks are filled with political viewpoints and rarely just report the facts like an encyclopedia. Politically programming kids is as bad as advertisements that target kids. And parents who subject their kids to their extreme political positions (see above idiot parent regurgitating talk show crap) should be paddled with the board they won't let the schools use on the buttocks of their misbehaving kids. I wonder if idiot parents know they are idiots.

September 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM  
Blogger PRIguy said...

Brant, you couldn't have asked for a better first comment, huh?

This speech is big stuff here in Virginia. One county school system banned the speech outright. Other counties are going to air the speech, but those children who do not want to participate don't have to. Some schools are requiring parental notes to excuse their children. Others are forcing the teachers to have "alternate plans" for the students who opt out. It's ridiculous.

I despise Obama and his entire administration, but this is a free country, and like it or not, he's the president of it. If the students don't want to listen to him, I doubt there is anything school administrators or parents can do to make them listen. I guarantee you that the majority of students who are out of elementary school don't give a damn anyway.

September 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM  
Blogger PRIguy said...

By the way, I like the new look of the blog page!

September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Thanks, we started hosting the blogs on our own Web site, and with that came the new look. I like it, too.

September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what? Kids won't listen to what any adult says anyway.

September 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Can I have my son excused when they are teaching about metaphors in English class? I really don't want him talking in circles around me...

I'd like to keep him home when they cover Leon Czolgoz in American History, too... I'd hate for 7th grade Social Studies to plant anarchistic ideas in his head...

He already isn't signed up for band because they meet on Wednesday nights... and that's when he's in church learning about how bad it is to be gay.

I wouldn't let him be in band anyway, because musical people often ARE gay...

If they would refrain from teaching anything about any specific artists in art class, that would be great... artists often led controversial lives, you know.

Is 9/11 and the Iraq war in history books yet? I'd prefer to preserve his innocence by keeping "911" as the number you call for an ambulance as long as possible.

Math leads to unAmerican thoughts about switching to the metric system...

Don't get me started on this new-fangled heliocentric science curriculum either!

If I can shield my child from the speeches of PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES with whom I disagree politically... this will benefit him, how again?

I'd say it's ironic when people make the case that the president speaking to children constitutes indoctrination, when in fact it looks more like a speed bump in the road toward the actual indoctrination they are involved in themselves... but irony is used by liberal elites with their fancy schmancy hoity toity word games...

Right Frank Luntz?

The sad thing is, there is really no way to combat this type of idiocy... at least, not at this instant... All I can really do is hope that my son grows up to be an abortion doctor or a college professor... That'll show em!

September 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We elected a full fledged commie to the POTUS. Yep, that's pretty dumb!

September 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM  
Blogger Dale Lolley said...

Actually, if this is the case for stupidity, you can date it back to 1991 when the Dems complained about a George H.W. Bush speech to schoolkids about staying in school.

September 4, 2009 at 9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it is a sad commentary that some in our midst believe the students should not hear the President of the United States. The response is a marker of the strong divisions in our country. We lost respect for the Office of President during the Clinton years, and it continues to dwindle. The objection is an indication of how much, or not much, the Office is respected.

Having said that, I am afraid that the President has brought about part of the problem himself. The recent debate on medical care reform has cast him in a poor light. He has made some really stupid comments at the town hall meetings, comments that Gibbs has been left to defend. Of course, Gibbs cannot defend them, so he says not to take his words literally. These exchanges have left the public with a waning confidence in what he has to say, TO ANYBODY. Trust has been broken with the campaign-like rhetoric at these meetings and press conferences. Speaking of listening to our President, why should we listen next week when he addresses the joint session of Congress? Why would we believe anything he has to say? Yes, I may sound cynical, but the reality of recent history has led me to this path. Something significant will have to be done to change the course. I am doubting the addressing of children will be the significant event.

By the way, it is the parents' task to provide the exhortation and control of the children. In the final say, it is the parents' responsibility to do the educating. By sticking his nose in the mix, he is adding to the perception that government wants to further intrude.

September 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This move by Obama was poorly timed and foolhardy. It does nothing but cause tensions that are unnecessary.
I can state that after reading the lessons plans surrounding his speech, I personally don't believe that my child should be exposed to his speech.
That does not make someone ignorant as I also believe that same children should not be exposed to Republican speeches either.
Obama has an obession with being seen and heard in every forum. He has not learned the art of restraint. This was best illustrated by his actions during the professor mess.
Instead of focusing his energies towards achieving health care, his is creating extra issues with his move to speak as children reenter school.
He has spoken of the need of the media to leave his own children alone, but he does not seem the recongize that many that disagree with him feel the same towards his speech.
In the end, his speech has created nothing but problems and has proven what many believe that he is more interested in a cult of personality than the long term fate of the Republic.
We should always be wary of those that ride white horses of victory or come speaking with gilded tongues. That is the right of a free man in a Republic. The parents are not wrong, in fact they are excercising their right to disagree with what they perceive as a misuse of the office.
What honestly does this speech serve except to fufill the never ending ego of one man.
He has been and continues to be a man that seeks higher and higher office and upon achieving it, he is unable to actually focus on the job of goverance versus self adulation.
In many ways he is the ultimate expression of our culture, celebrity obsessed, full of fancy words that mean little, a failure to value truth telling over deceit, the valuation of words over deeds and so on.
I had hoped for better but I knew in my heart of hearts that was not to be the case.
This action is just one in a long line of self absorbed decisions that are determental to his stated overall goals and to his party's long term political health.
If Democrats wish to retain power they must not make the same mistake that many Republicans make, which is to blindly defend each and every decision of their President regardless of its effect. They must be able and willing to oppose Obama's various attempts at self adulation or much like the celebrities that he seems to espouse to be, he will eventually (if not already) be overexposed.

Seeker of the Truth

September 5, 2009 at 12:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You think health care is a mess? Try setting up such an educational system where we have a separate school for every separate belief system. Schools with and without prayer, with and without the Pledge of Allegiance, with and without dress codes, with and without Darwin, with and without sex education, with and without corporal punishment, with and without sports. This is one more symptom of our unwillingness to hear viewpoints that diverge from our own. Cut off from diverse opinions, how are kids supposed to make informed decisions?

September 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 10:10 poster concerned about children making informed decisions, you are missing the mark of education. The education system is a time of learning, learning facts, learning trends, learning history, learning social patterns, learning ( ... ). We have become so full of ourselves, thinking that our opinions matter so much, that we need to foist this thinking into the school-aged children. There will be plenty of time for them to "make informed decisions," as you put it. Decisions imply a using a choice of information to produce an outcome. Learning is not making choices, rather taking the truth and understanding it for what it is, not what somebody else (or the student) thinks it should be.

To the poster of 12:07 a.m., the person who has seen the lesson plan, a question for you. I have heard that the plan includes an request to the students to write a letter to President Obama, telling him how they can help him. Is this true? I don't have access to the plans myself (or I don't think that I do). If the plan does, in fact, include this provision, the light on the speech and surrounding plan, suddenly gets brighter.

September 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We have become so full of ourselves, thinking that our opinions matter so much, that we need to foist this thinking into the school-aged children. There will be plenty of time for them to "make informed decisions," as you put it."
So you're saying that restricting exposure to diverse opinion allows the broadest possible chance of forming your own opinion? Don't think so. Exposing kids to diverse opinions at school age and encouraging them to reach their own decisions should produce more responsible adults -- maybe even ones who don't read something on the Internet and figure it's true just because it's on the Internet.

I thought my son (17) was well informed until he told me that he didn't know why so many people didn't like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "because he looks alright to me." I asked if he had bothered to listen to any of Ahmadinejad speeches denying the holocaust and saying that Israel should me obliterated. Oh --he hadn't heard that. That's the danger of being exposed to only one viewpoint.

I think it's the obligation of textbooks to present not only facts but the prevailing thinking of the times, be it in opposition or support of the facts. Plenty of people thought Hitler was nice guy at first.

September 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Re: Dale-

I have checked online and I have found instances of where there was some objection to HW Bush's address to children... Seeing as I was in 1st grade at the time, I don't really recall one way or the other what the overwhelming tone was... I do have to ask, though...

Was there a nation-wide movement to keep kids home from school that day? Were there parallels drawn to Hitler and the Hitler Youth?

There are NUT CASES on each side of the aisle... I wouldn't be surprised if there were some granola farming tree huggers that wandered out of their tofu huts to object to HW's address... but today's controversy either encompasses more than just the lunatic fringe... or the lunatic fringe is a hell of a lot bigger than what I'd expect it to be.

Personally, I think kids should see and hear the president speak not just on Children's Issues, but on topical subjects in general. If the president has a 2pm press conference scheduled, kids should watch it in school... EVERY President... not just the good ones :-)

September 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brant and Brant Jr. (E), There are nutcases on both sides but Obama is the top nut case. He is a product of our most corrupt political climate (Chicago) launched is political career at Bill Ayers house (nutcase) and was closely involved with other members of the weather underground. We trumpeted the fact that he was an extremeist and a marxist. America ignored. There is nothing available to us as to how he paid for his ivy league education. All this was available to you for review before the election but you and the state sponsored media ignored. Now he has appointed radical left wingers as (Van Jones 9/11 truther who resigned) Czars and has numerous tax cheats in his cabinet. We are pushing 10 % unemployment but you still defemd him as you would your family. For someone so eager to research and post on every subject under the sun why did you ignore these facts? Oh, It was the 'awesomeness' right?

September 6, 2009 at 10:00 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

To the anonymous poster worried about how Obama paid for his vacation, I would ask, why are you so worried about this, and do you have some information you could share about how he paid for it? Was it Kenyan Nazi communist terrorists who footed the bill. If you say you don't like some of the people whom Obama associates with, we can debate that, but it just sounds looney when you suggest that he and Ayers were bosom buddies or that he was some fringe member of the Weather Underground. Also, what state-sponsored media are we talking about? Voice of America? I think Van Jones is kind of a doofus, but to make him out as the second coming of Karl Marx is a bit much. I do think that anyone who believes the U.S. government was involved with or allowed 9/11 to happen (the "Truthers") are as dumb as an end table. However, if someone is the most qualified for a position of leadership in the administration, I really don't care if they're a member of the Green Party, the Communist Party or the You've-Got-To-Fight-For-Your-Right-To Party. Obama has been in office less than eight months. Never in the history of our country has there been so much unintelligent venom directed toward a president, based on so little foundation. I haven't agree with everything the president has done, but I'm willing to give him a bit more time to put his policies in place. He was elected to his office by a majority of those voting. By virtue of that, he's allowed to pursue the issue that he campaigned on. You're allowed to oppose those policies, and in 2012, you get another chance to vote for president.

September 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never in the history of our country has there been so much unintelligent venom directed toward a president, based on so little foundation.


Short memory, you have there.

September 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the time Bush had been in office nine months, he had given away the surplus left to him by Clinton, changed the tax rules to favor his pals, thrown out the Constitution and gotten us into two unwinnable wars. So we rewarded him with a second term. Maybe Obama should nuke China, Korea and Iran -- prez for life.

September 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part of the text of Obama's speech, now posted on the White House website:

"I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.
That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying."

Mighty socialistic, don't ya think? He mentions a woman and a black man -- leftists, obviously And all three of the students mentioned as examples in the speech have awfully "foreign sounding" first names, if ya know what I mean.

I'm keeping my kid home from school on Tuesday.

September 7, 2009 at 6:44 PM  

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