Friday, July 17, 2009

I kinda figured


Meghan McCain, who had an opportunity to get up close and personal with Joe the Plumber during last year's presidential campaign, had this to say about the working Joe who became a central figure in her father's campaign for the White House: "Joe the Plumber – you can quote me – is a dumbass. He should stick to plumbing." McCain, who was speaking to Out Magazine about being a Republican who supports gay marriage, confirmed my general belief about Joe Wurzelbacher, the Toledo man who was used as a prop of sorts in attacks on then-candidate Obama's tax plans. Last fall, it became very clear to anyone with half a brain that Joe had, well, half a brain. That didn't stop some true believers from elevating Joe to a position at the left hand of Palin – with Rush Limbaugh on the right, of course. Joe recently announced that he has decided against running for Congress because God told him not to. If God is micromanaging things to the point that he's offering political advice to Joe the Plumber, then the Big Guy really needs to delegate. Maybe something like this: "Yo, Angel Zedediah, you did such a good job explaining that whole virgin birth thing to Joseph of Nazareth, I'm wondering if you could, as gently as possible, deal with Joseph of Toledo, who thinks he's the second coming of Robert Taft. Just tell him that it's our educated opinion that he'd be better served by concentrating on poop clogs."

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Anonymous the anonymous one said...

Joe Wurzelbacher aka Joe the plumber. Is he a regular Joe or apart of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY?

I remember his crime. He ask a carrer politician a question about taxes. OMG! How dare he! Don't point out that the answer he got was a lie. Point out that Joe is just a regular joe. I guess we have forgot that Joe didn't ask to be in the spotlight, he just ended up there. Good or bad, can't change it now.

He asked B.O. the hardest question during his entire compaign. Joe was punished for taking a working mans stance. If the left wing press and media was willing to dig into his past to punish him for asking a hard question, do you think they wouldn't do it to anyone of us? They made an example out of Joe. You better not ask hard questions to left wingers or they will smear you in the press.

Joe wasn't perfect when his past came up but who is? He had a dream of one day working for himself. So he got smeared.

Meghan McCain born October 23,1984. She is twenty five years old. Who cares who she thinks is a dumbass. McCain is currently a blogger! A freaking blogger! I don't think this little girl has ever worked 40 hrs a week in her whole life. I can hear her, " Joe da plumber is such like a dumbass, cause like he didn't have a silver spoon born in his mouth". Give me a break.

When I need help with something I know who I can count on and it wouldn't be any child of any politician.

When my toilet breaks, I'm calling Joe the dumbass to fix it cause i'm pretty sure Meghan doesn't even know how to wipe her own ass.

July 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I think what's more entertaining is the way the right put him up on a platform and portraying him as the "average" american... when, in reality, he's a half-retarded wannabe plumber... If he's a regular Joe, then I'm G.I. Joe.

July 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM  
Anonymous chuck said...

To the anonymous one--------with all the B.S. you keep spouting, you could keep a plumber on waivers. You probably don't even remember the question Joe the Dumbass asked Obama.

July 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Oh, and I was born Oct 15, 1983... I am 25... Ms. McCain is 24, thank you very much :-)

July 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM  
Blogger MJ said...

Anyone who listens to Meghan McCain speak probably would come to the conclusion that she is intelligent and honest. And I'm sure she got a much better perspective on Sammy the Plumber than the rest of us.

July 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

Chuck, Joe told B.O. that he was going to buy a business that made over 250k a year. His question was under your plan I'm going to get taxed more? If you want to hear the three different answers B.O.
gave him along with a song and dance here you go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o

I heard B.O. say something about a tax credit, but lately all I hear is about how he is going to raise the taxes on that bracket of people.


Also Chuckie... "you could keep a plumber on waivers". Don't you mean retainer?

Bob.. The McCains tried to use him. Is that the platform you are talking about? Cause if so, that was an epic fail. Joe keeps setting himself up for failure after that.

Meghan McCain calling Joe a dumb ass? Myself, I hear the kettle and the pot talking.

July 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

McCain tried to use him, and the loudest blowhards in Right Wing Media acted like he was practically the second coming of Jesus Christ and Ronald Regan's bastard baby. Epic fail? Yup...

I think the answer was pretty clear... Yes, the top marginal tax rate will go up under an obama administration.

I don't fault Joe for being a dumbass, so much as he really can't help himself... But the fact that people still bow to the alter of Plumber is beyond me...

I think I am going to make some Palin/Plumber '12 bumper stickers for sale on cafe press

July 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

Bob ok, she is 24 years old 9 mths so many days, 23 hrs 55 secs old. Holy Sh!t!

July 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob, what do you label as the right wing media?

What would you call the left wing media?

Always wondered what people call the right wing media.

July 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM  
Anonymous Chuck said...

Anonymous one,

Yes, I meant to say "retainer", but I see you got my point. Now back to Joe the whatever---the man never had the funds available to purchase anything and is not a licensed plumber in the State of Ohio. Joe the Hasbeen had a perfect right to ask the question he did, but his taxes would not have gone up--------the tax increase was for those businesses that made more than $250,000 a year. The owner of the company that Joe was interested in said that the business had never come close to grossing that amount. I hope to never hear about Joe again.

July 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Right wing media =

Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Fox News, etc...

Left wing media =

MSNBC, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc.

To a lesser degree, you have abc, nbc, cbs and cnn that "leans" left... but isn't nearly as full tilt as MSNBC... similarly, there are a number of publications and local news affiliates that "lean" right... small town newspapers, small market tv stations... those are more likely to lean to the right.

July 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

I'm with ya Chuck. I don't care if I ever hear about him ever again. I just don't think the media should demonize ANY citizen politician or wannabe, without merit. You know there is a difference between a citizen politician and a career politician right?

Citizen politician is what made this country great, career politicians is what killed this country.

July 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

But it DOES have merit... if part of the media doesn't point out the fact that this guy is a putz, then the ONLY thing you'd hear about him is talk radio saying he's some kind of american hero...

As soon as people start comparing people to sliced bread, other people are going to dispute that... If joe doesn't want to be knocked down a peg, then maybe he should take himself out of the spotlight...

Even shepherd smith at fox news thinks he's an idiot :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo

July 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox News.... Right
Limbaugh.... Right

NBC.... Left
CBS.... Left
ABC.... LEFT
MSNBC.... LEFT
CNN.... LEFT

Washington POST... LEFT
NYTIMES.... LEFT
BOSTON GLOBE ... LEFT
Chicago sun-times ....left
San Fran Chron.... LEFT
Washington Times... LEFT
Time ... Left

lol why does the left hate those two media gaints on the right?

July 17, 2009 at 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i forgot one...

OR.... LEFT

July 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

You forgot a few...

Neil Bortz
Sean Hannity
Michael Savage
Glenn Beck
Jim Quinn
Ann Coulter
Lou Dobbs
Drudge Report
John Stossel

Not to mention a myriad of newspapers and non-syndicated talk show hosts and "news" organizations... Don't act like you are persecuted and underrepresented in media today... the vast left-wing bias BS is a myth

July 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

This sort of leads us into another area in which I was having a discussion with folks on another blog today. On what do you base your assertion that the O-R is a publication of the left? Specifics, please. Then we can toss it around a bit.

July 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

I like Shep..

this is a funny one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzV8wrnLfS4

What merit does the media have attacking joe after he asked a question? I'm lost. After he joined the McCains he was fair game.

July 17, 2009 at 2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brant, wait till election time and see who grabs the headlines at the OR. I didn't see anyone stick to investigative journalism over there when the Deweese and Murtha scandals came up. I don't know, when you all write an article about Rendell and I post a comment on him they never post it on the OR site. Seems pretty left to me.

July 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I don't see how he was attacked...

The video hits youtube, Hannity gets a freedom boner, "spread the wealth around" becomes akin to "I'm going to eat 3 aborted babies every day in the oval office," and then the media reports that Joe the Plumber:
a) isn't named Joe
b) isn't a real plumber
c) isn't buying a business

Then... some of us (me) did some market research to see if his "concerns" were valid... Turns out that he would probably have benefited from Obama's tax plans whether he made more than 250k or the 40k that he actually made... which means that it was far from a sincere inquiry... No matter his circumstances, no matter obama's policies, he was going to oppose them... Hold on while I find my data to post...

Also, re: Brant's question... I have something to contribute to that, but I want to wait a bit on it.

July 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Anonymous, I'm still waiting for an example of liberal bias in a NEWS STORY that appeared in the Observer. And now you're hanging your hat on what we're "going to do" in the next election? C'mon now. We've had many stories on DeWeese's troubles with Bonusgate and, more recently, with the legal troubles of companies tied to Murtha. I can't speak personally about your lack of success in commenting on Rendell stories, but feel free to air your comments here. And please come up with one liberally biased NEWS STORY (not an editorial) that appeared on our pages. Then we can talk.

July 17, 2009 at 2:49 PM  
Blogger {cher} said...

all i gotta say is Meghan's hot, and i love that she has a lil junk in her trunk. definitely wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating wheat thins.

as far as Joe.. um... he's not even worth commenting on.. so .. yeah. woohoo Meghan!!!

July 17, 2009 at 3:11 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Triscuits might be another story. They're really scratchy.

July 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

The liberal attack machine has it's wheels turning.

I guess the right had Joe.

The left has Cindy Sheehan.

Nuts on both sides.

July 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM  
Blogger {cher} said...

yeah.. triscuits are like being at the beach without a towel under your butt!!

damn.. now i got the munchies!

July 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

It's the weekend. Break out the "easy cheese."

July 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God should've told Joe to keep his freakin' mouth shut from day one.

July 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question of OR being right or left, the wrong question was asked. More importantly, which stories were chosen to run, which were chosen to be left out. When asking for specific news stories, the point is being missed, at least in part. Just because a story is published doesn't necessarily mean it is right or left, but what stories are being run, which stories are being ignored, is a better indicator of political leanings of a publication.

No, we are not talking about the stories of the traffic accident on Rt 40, but rather those stories having a subjective aspect. These would include stories of politicians, group promotions or events that promote an agenda, etc.

July 17, 2009 at 9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well we can scratch walter cronkite from the left...

July 18, 2009 at 12:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Cronkite can be scratched, but his legacy lives on through present day media. Some of us remember his signature line, "That's the way it is." Oh well, that is the way through the eyes of Mr. Cronkite. However, too many of us were naive enough to believe "that is the way it is." We didn't have alternative sources to provide a differing viewpoint. Only later did we really understand what was happening.

Mr. Cronkite, the high-profile figure he established, was the most trusted man in American in 1952. See how gullible we were? Perhaps it was the new form of expression of television that led us down the primrose path.

Oh, how times have changed! Or, maybe not so much? What primrose path are we following in 2009?

July 18, 2009 at 6:17 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

And again, I would ask the anonymous from a few posts back, where are your specifics? As I've stated before, we've run plenty of stories about the troubles of DeWeese, Murtha and other Dems. As I recall, we broke the story about the Democrat sheriff boozing it up and driving in West Virginia. We don't avoid bad news about Democrats. Cody likes to beat us about the head and neck for not doing enough against Pettit, and while we might not have been willing to rely on rumors and innuendo regarding Pettit, we have duly covered the actual, factual developments and proceedings involving the former DA. It's easy to say a publication has a liberal or conservative bent if you're not going to provide examples.

July 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how you didn't mention his tax lien. Sad that half of Obama's cabinet had tax issues too. There is a lot going on in the news and this really isn't news worthy.

July 18, 2009 at 7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only reason the OR prints stories unbecoming of the Washington County Democratic Party is because the Post Gazette already broke the story.

July 18, 2009 at 8:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As ususal Ellipses is in a dream world. CNN, ABC and NBC 'lean' left. Are you serious? Joking? when Pravda rips your bias media you know you are over the edge.

July 18, 2009 at 8:04 AM  
Anonymous nomen said...

I'm guessing the majority of people here claiming there is a liberal media have done extensive research on the subject and are prepared to present their data. No? Certainly, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh researched this while they were pursuing their postsecondary degrees. Since they seem to be the foremost authorities on such issues, they must have the data to prove it. Oh, wait; they don't have enough credits between them to have earned a certificate of completion from a Microsoft Office operator’s course let alone an undergraduate degree.

Perhaps claiming media bias is just an easy way to mask your failures, or in the case of Rush and Glenn, to keep listeners/viewers on board.

July 18, 2009 at 8:57 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

You guys are leaving a big old beach ball tee'd up here... read friday's paper... i will write an analysis on Monday.

July 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every news outlet filters what it presents to its consumers for the simple reason that there's too much news to include it all.

The bigger question is, what passes for news and who rates its importance? What do we really need to know? Did we need damn near 24/7 coverage of MJ's funeral when so many other, actually important, stories were available. When the Virginia Tech shootings occurred a few years ago, they grabbed all the headlines. Meanwhile, almost 200 Iraqis had been blown up the same day. No one seemed to care that the coverage was slight.

More than ever before, news is available daily from hundreds of sources. If you choose to get all your news from one outlet, and especially a local outlet, shame on you. If the leanings of a particular newspaper, TV station or radio station offend or rile you, don't read, watch or listen. Find a new source that agrees with you.

July 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Anyone think that in this picture of Plumber and McCain, he just finished whispering to her "How about when we're done with this dog and pony show, we go back to the bus and I'll show you my ball-cock assembly?"

July 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Walter Cronkite tried to see President Clintons ball-cock assembly while sporting the preident on his boat. That's the way he felt him up.

July 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bob check out the cap and trade blog

July 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM  
Blogger BURGH08 said...

I could care less about left/right.

I just can't get the thought of Meghan and cher in bed with a box of Wheat Thins.

July 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ellipses, How about you skip the liberal media bias BS and focus on how our country has changes since the 2006 election. Remember the 4% unemployment and the 1.99 gas? Was it really Bush that got us here or the 2006 election?

July 20, 2009 at 8:02 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Anon... Sorry, I really don't want to jump topics right now since I just wrote up a brilliant piece on liberal bias... Let me figure out where to post this...

Also, what, exactly did congress do since 2006 that led to 9.5% unemployment and (gasp) 2.50 gas? Which pieces of legislation caused gas to go up in price?

July 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

Also, there's nothing that the Democratically controlled Congress could have done from 2006 until January of 2009 without the approval of the Republican president. And as Ellipses asks, what legislation was enacted during that period that caused the economy to go south?

July 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Because you asked for it :-)

Liberal Bias:

http://criticalview-ellipses.blogspot.com/2009/07/liberal-bias.html

July 20, 2009 at 9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democratically controlled Congress could have done many things, but they did nothing! They could have opened up Anwar and many other areas, but the didn't. They could have passed a law letting windfarms to be built off of Marthas vinyard, but they didn't.

As far as the economy falling like a rock, that is the American public getting ready for a liberal to take office. Hide your money or Obama will share it with everyone!

July 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM  
Anonymous nomen said...

Hide your wives and daughters too. I hear he's looking to redistribute women as well.

July 20, 2009 at 12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They say a man with a beard has something to hide. I say a president that signs an executive order 13489 has something to hide.

Anyone know anything about law?

§ 2382. Misprision of treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United
States and having knowledge of the commission
of any treason against them, conceals and does
not, as soon as may be, disclose and make
known the same to the President or to some
judge of the United States, or to the governor or
to some judge or justice of a particular State, is
guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned not more than
seven years, or both.

I'm calling John Murtha to ask why he hasn't started the impeachment!

July 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

To the earlier anonymous, why didn't George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress take care of things like drilling in ANWAR and the wind farms when they had total control of the government? And the economy was headed toward the tank well before anyone knew who was going to be elected last year. That argument is a joke.

July 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

To the earlier anonymous, why didn't George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress take care of things like drilling in ANWAR and the wind farms when they had total control of the government? And the economy was headed toward the tank well before anyone knew who was going to be elected last year. That argument is a joke.

July 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gas wasn't 5 bucks a gallon then?

July 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM  
Blogger L.C. said...

Congress does nothing.It does not matter who is in control.All they care about is grandstanding and re-election.There is so much that could have been done.Why not impose term limits on them.And by the way,our state government isn't much better.

July 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Gas isn't 5 bucks a gallon now... Looks like not drilling caused the price to come down :-)

July 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM  
Blogger PRIguy said...

I read all of these comments, and I think Cher's first post summed up my feelings exactly, although I'm more of a Cheese Nips kind of guy. And as always, ellipses, with his ball-cock comment, wins Quip of the Week.

I'm surprised no one mentioned that egotistical gasbag Bill O'Reilly. I'm fairly conservative, but I think he and Sean Hannity are cut-and-dried idiots.

July 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gas prices tend to reflect on the 9.5% unemployment numbers. Watch this i'm a smart guy, I bet gas will go down next month too cause unemployment will be over 11%.

Praise the lord the dems are in charge! They lowered the gas prices! Glory Glory!!

July 20, 2009 at 1:43 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

The current recession started in December 2007... a fact that wasn't mathematically realized until nearly a year later...

That means that the democratic congress had to be able to do something in their first 11 months to cause a recession.

Also, it was last year... in a time of rising unemployment and decreasing economic activity, that gas achieved record prices... that suggests that the price of gas is not purely a supply-demand issue... nor is it an accurate barometer of the economy... especially in light of the fact that at the height of the clinton bull market, I can recall filling my tank for 93 cents a gallon, occasionally.

July 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"that the price of gas is not purely a supply-demand issue".

Sir, whatever you are smoking, I'll have some.

Unless you're stating that it's an oil speculaton market. If so, Everyone with ties to Goldman Sachs should be thrown in jail.

I wonder why Dems never take responsibility for anything? President Clinton and Barney Frank are the reason for the housing market collapse. They forced Fannie and Freddy to take huge risk in the sub prime mortgage. Some people are meant to rent, others with good credit can buy homes.

Everytime we have a supply and demand issue with oil, the dems block the drilling efforts. Try to get a dem to build a new refinery.

Dems are the kids in the back of the class room that run into the brick wall face first, then never make a left or right. They just run into the brick wall over and over and over again. I say good for SW PA. Lets keep Deweese in office, keep Murth in office... we like watching the youth move away. We like watching our State workers line up for food stamps. We like pain in SW PA. Cause till we vote those bums out, we will keep ending up with the same results.

July 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

"that the price of gas is not purely a supply-demand issue".

LOONEY!

especially in light of the fact that at the height of the clinton bull market, I can recall filling my tank for 93 cents a gallon, occasionally.

Wonder how many people in China had cars in the Clinton days compared to now?

Wait, that would be supply and demand. Would it not?

July 20, 2009 at 3:15 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I think the data absolutely shows that it's not purely supply and demand... is the world driving half as much now as it was last summer?

Of course not.

Yet, the price of gas is half.

It absolutely was driven by speculation in commodities markets. Oil "futures" were driven up to unreasonably high levels on speculation. Why? Because under old short-selling rules, you could make a shit-ton of money if the price went up... and you could make a shit-ton of money if the price went down. Why wouldn't you bid the price up? Especially if you could buy a hedge against just about any retraction in the commodities future price?

Unemployment is at about 10%... which means that 90% of us still have our jobs, still drive to work every day, still go to the store, still take the kids to practice and camp and everything else... When gas was 5 bucks a gallon (last summer), about 6% of us were out of a job... so either the price of gas was based on speculation, or 4% of us use a hell of a lot of gas.

July 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"it became very clear to anyone with half a brain..." that makes this blog a perfect place for the story! there are plenty of half-brains who frequent here.

July 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM  
Blogger PRIguy said...

And 99% of them have the screen name of "anonymous."

July 20, 2009 at 4:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Price of gasoline at the pump analysis in this thread is waaaaaay over-simplified. Some people are spending too much time writing on blogs, and too little time doing research on what to write on blogs.

The half-brain assessment works for me. Using the little piece that's left, I'm out!

July 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM  
Anonymous Joe American said...

what is the true numbers of the unemployed?? not just the ones still getting a check. 25%?

What happen to all those jobs obama was going to make?

you are thinking about it just in the local market, think global. there are other countries out there. This is a global recession, a lot of people are not driving as much.

"It absolutely was driven by speculation in commodities markets".

The biggest speculator was Goldman Sachs. Guess who didn't pay a nickle in taxes? GS! How many people in the Obama administration came from Goldman Sachs? How many was caught not paying taxes? Who gave bailout money to the banks, and was threatened with marshall law if the money wasn't given to the banks? Who bought and paid for Obama's Campaign? Goldman Sachs & GE. Guess who stands to make a huge profit off of Cap and Trade?

Look, I just point out the facts. I could list article after article to prove my facts. Most of you would attack, I laid out the facts, you check them.

July 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM  
Anonymous Bob said...

Christ, I went to the Brants blog homepage, guess who Brant has a sponser? GE!

Goldman Sachs employees gave Obama a million dollars for his campaign. GE also gave a nice chunk to Obama.

what is executive order 13489?

why would one want to hide something?

July 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM  
Anonymous EXECUTIVE ORDER TO HIDE said...

executive order 13489

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489

He wants to hide is "vault"!

July 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM  
Anonymous PRIguys Mother said...

if all the anonymous ones wouldn't comment, you wouldn't have a blog. You would have someones idea, and four or five that always agree. Total views, one.

July 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I did an inordinate amount of work this morning specifically to disagree with Brant on the issue of journalistic bias...

July 20, 2009 at 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Franks said...

90 days ago Obama wanted a 100 million in cuts in 90 days. Where are the cuts? Another Obama Lie!

July 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

Brant, the OR website is a freaking mess! the layout is horrible. Way the change?

July 21, 2009 at 7:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama is ruining our economy. Stop Cap and Trade. Keep government out of my uterus. No government healthcare!

July 21, 2009 at 8:15 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

Anonymous One, what specifically don't you like? Are there some changes that made it harder to navigate? Placement of certain elements? Always glad to hear readers criticisms and concerns.

July 21, 2009 at 8:30 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I am not a huge fan of how the "back" pages are laid out... you have a page within a page...

If I click local news, and then use the scroll wheel on my mouse, it will scroll down to the bottom of the "bigger" page... but then you have a scrollable page inside of that... so to see the links that are below the bottom of the plane of that box, I have to move my mouse into that space and scroll again...

Sounds ridiculous to complain about having to move your mouse 1 inch and then flick your finger... but it is a bit annoying

July 21, 2009 at 8:43 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

I'm not a big fan of the page within a page, either. The interior scrollable obit page especially annoys me, because I'll be working my way down through the obits, then the page refreshes, and I have to do it all again. But, of course, I'm easily annoyed.

July 21, 2009 at 9:12 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

The auto-refresh is maddening, for sure.

July 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

bob and brant you guys nailed it! page in a page, and the refresh. why bitch when it's free? well cause I liked it better the old way and it was free too! LOL! Have a great day!!!

July 21, 2009 at 11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe the Plumber isn't overly educated, but what he was trying to tell us is the truth.

Do you realize that when the Bush's tax cuts expire, Obama is not going to renew them. So what that essentially means is that big BO isn't going to be raizing your taxes, he is simply not going to renew the Bush's cuts which helps the middle income person. So Joe the Plumber was telling you the truth, that BO is going to be taking more of your tax dollars and giving them away to the poor, IE "sharing the wealth." The working man, not just the rich,are going to taxed more, thus reducing disposable income. Cleaver huh?

I say, create work camps for all the unemployeed people receiving generational welfare. Let them work for their money like the rest of us, and increase their taxes also.

I was so excited when BO talked about taking from the rich and giving to the rest of us. Until my wife pointed out that the rich are smart. They are not going to loose money. That they will figure a way a keep the playing fields exacally the way they are. So, don't get your hopes up too high..

But thanks for the warning Joe the Plumber!! There are simply too many people looking for hand-outs, so BO got elected anyway.

That McCain Chick is smokin' hot. Thanks for the pic.

July 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

The total potential federal government support could reach up to $23.7 trillion," says Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, in a new report obtained Monday by ABC News on the government's efforts to fix the financial system.Yes, $23.7 trillion

I think the world GDP for a year is 75 Trillion. So it would take a 1/3 of the worlds GDP for one year to pay this off. It took B.O. 6 mths to spend it. LOL EPIC FAIL! B.O's new nickname is Summers Eve.

Don't blog about other douche bags unless you get the king of douche bags first.

How many times could that pay off EVERY house in America? What do you have to show for it? DEBT. Impeach Summers Eve !!!!

July 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Looks like the help started going out just in time! Can you imagine having 40% of the WORLD's GDP just collapse over night? Wow, that would suck :-)

July 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

Bob what help!? 10 million in sliced ham? Give me a break.

Do you buy into this? Really? I mean you come off as a smart young man. You do the research, you fact find the whole nine yards.

If Summers Eve wanted change, he could have paid off everyones home in America 2-3 times. That would have been a change I would have believed in.

LOL, cap and trade, healthcare.. Summers Eve has failed in 6 mths.

Best question, if the healthcare that Summers Eve wants to put you on is so good, why doesn't congress and him have to be on it?

The public laugh at him and his fools.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_43nJVyKA

WAKE UP. I learned at 17 years old that the Fed and State Govt lies to the people all the time. You should take a break from your job, join the Army or Marines and learn the way I did.

July 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM  
Blogger {cher} said...

ooh.. wait! look! Meghan's bending over to pick up the wheat thins she dropped! sweeeeeeet!!! lace boyshorts.. no thong.. i win the pool!!! pay up fellas!!

July 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the different between being 'anonymus' and posting under 'PRI guy' and other monikers?

Unless someone is posting their entire name and can be confirmed, I don't see much difference.

* I'm 'anon' because I like to post and pretend to work....guilty as charged, but honest.

July 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

It doesn't really matter if you have a name so much as to tell which anon is making which point... Priguy can't just start slinging it hoping something sticks because we all know it's him :-) it's just easier to converse

July 21, 2009 at 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

last anonymous, they want to find out who you are, what you do for a living, who you work for and then report it.

We use to have freedome of speech. Now we have freedom of speech zones.

Obama made the police in MO arrest people for speaking against him.

Sure, they can trace your IP address posting on a site, but they have to have a court order to find out who you are. Not to many judges will sign off on that. They want you to hang yourself if you speak against the new Kim Jong IL.

July 21, 2009 at 6:40 PM  
Anonymous 41 years in the coal mine said...

f'ing sad that we have to hide in America. You're right, obama is the new Kim Jong IL.

They arrest people for bumperstickers these days.

They call veterans terrorist.

Patroit Act was for the terrorist!!! Yet used against us. Take your shoes off at the airport. Get a radar 3-d scan of your childs body at the airport to fly from Pittsburgh to Dallas. To show the world your childs body.

To give up some of your liberties for freedom, you do not have either. FREAKING Benjamin Franklin!

Time to freaking change out them all out in WORSHINGTON! DON'T TREAD ON ME!

July 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Wow, the tards are out

July 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM  
Anonymous 41 years in a coal mine said...

Ellipses, son have you ever served our nation? Have you spilt an oz of blood for America? I bet not.

You youngwhippersnappers have no clue what scarifice means in the time of war. I don't want to put troops into categorgies, but for the past two elections, most of the money from the troops went to right side of asile.

Now we have a President that has no idea about scarifice, or allegince and wants to spread our wealth around like a socialist or a commie. No wonder you don't relate. Cause, you never had sacrifice in your blood or allegince. You get allegince when you protect your buddies back, and son, the only thing you ever protected was your paycheck. YOU MAKE ME SICK! IF your grandfather was a veteran and was alive today I bet he would hate you.

Being a pu$$y a$$ liberal doesn't make you smart, or intelligent! It makes you a scared a$$ pU$$y! Now grab your boot strings, tie them up tight and go find the nearest United States Army Recruiter and join the winning side son.

Your Grandfather told me to tell you that. Pu$$y.

O you must be the type to suck the fruits off of other peoples labor.

July 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Did you learn that rant in church?

July 21, 2009 at 8:21 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

"So what is driving the good right wing to talk more and more openly about arming themselves for some coming uprising? Has Barack Obama sent the FBI to break down law-abiding conservatives' doors, take their guns, shoot their women, and rape their dogs? Did Joe Biden start an enemies list and had a handcuffed Sean Hannity dragged to a prison where he can be beaten until he gives the whereabouts of Steve Doocy? Holy shit, an ignorant outside observer might think, what is so deadly that a media figure like Beck is, in essence, telling people to buy guns now?

And the answer is a slight raise in the marginal tax rate on the wealthy? An attempt to provide health care to uninsured Americans? A legally-elected government in a representative democracy spending money in the way those campaigning said it would be spent? If Ben Franklin were around, he'd scoff, "Pussies," beat Glenn Beck unconscious with his cane, let Thomas Paine sodomize him, and head back to Paris for more time with whores."

that's from "the rude pundit"... Oh, and I emailed your post to my grandfather... He said you should chill out and get some perspective.

July 21, 2009 at 8:23 PM  
Anonymous 41 years in a coal mine said...

you must be high. I had to hire your mom, grandmother and three other crack whores to explain that to me. they all came up with the same statement, you are high!

get off the drugs!

July 22, 2009 at 12:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ellipses, tell everyone on this blog, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR AMERICA?

yeap, nothing. fag.

Son, you are a pu$$y.

Get you some bootcamp. Hell join the air force... atleast you would have done something for america. Instead of living off of paw paw's money! You are what makes this country worthless. No balls and some cash.

July 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

You are hilarious, Sar-JENT!

I do's my good ammurkin dooty of gettin' up er'ry morn and hoofin' off to wurk so's Ize can payz my taxes on dem der froots uh muh laybour to equip dem boyz in OD green wiff der gunz n at. Ize iz a smart one, chief, I tellz u wut. If my daddy hadz himz sum munny, he mustah been hidin' it in wunnadem bottelz he was always suckin' on, till he went wiff jesus, that is. I'd luv to fly me sum airpanes for duh airforce, but I'd prolly hafta get that lasik laser cuttin' done on my blinkers first. You sees, Ima pracktically blind up in here wiffout some serrious correcktions. Now, if I hadz to do it all ovah againz, I'd prolly go wiff tha M'reen cor! Best outfit fer a sociopathic jeen-yus, dontcha think?
You shure do sahn tuff on dah innerwebs, boy... but I figger I'd have yoos bent over burrel ah peech snapps in no time in duh reel lifes, ya know?

I migh not be a smart man, Jenny, but I know yooz ain't no frenda no book lernin.

July 22, 2009 at 5:57 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

Wow, E, you were right about the retarded people.

July 22, 2009 at 7:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Birds of the feather flock together.

July 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's amazing how many people hate socialism but don't mind taking a Social Security check, or unemploymnt compensation, or joins medicare, or take a job with state or federal gov't, or . . well you get the picture.

My doorbell is ringing, must be Obama coming for my guns. Idiot.

July 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the tards Brant is speaking about, please do not post anything else on Brants blog. Please let Brant and Bob stroke each other from now on.

You can see what Bob thinks about the people of SW PA, and Brant agrees.

Wonder why the OR is a sinking ship.

July 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Do you fly off the handle with people in real life, too?

Jesus, this started with someone pointing out that it's easier to have a debate or conversation when posts can be attributed to an individual... jeez, you can register a name without giving away who you are...

And no, you don't need a court order to find out who you are... all you need is "the google."

BTW, I am not talking about all of SW PA... I am specifically referring to 2 or 3 mentally deficient people who have commented on this post...

Hugs!

July 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

41 years in the coal mine is a phony.This person never served in the military.You ma'am are a fraud.
Typical "right wing wacko" who resorts to name calling when they have no facts to back up any of their statements.

Richard Lee

July 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM  
Anonymous clerk of courts said...

I would love to find out that the OR is "sharing" ip addresses.

July 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM  
Anonymous Chuck said...

I think someone should contact the DA. Bob and Brants computers get confiscated. We could find out if the OR is sharing ip adresses.

- Chuck Latham

July 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Yeah, that's going to be quite a loss for the blog if we no longer hear from idiots who think it's witty reparte to call someone a fag, crack whore or p*ssy and buy into every looney tune conspiracy theory they read on WorldNet Daily. Opposing views are always welcome. Blatant stupidity we can live without.

July 22, 2009 at 12:36 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Sorry about the typo in repartee. Number one, Ellipses (Bob) doesn't work for the O-R. Number two, who would the O-R share these IP addresses with? The people who are coming to take your guns?

July 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM  
Anonymous nomen said...

Is that what Zolton tells you, that they're sharing IP addresses? You know, there is a space ship buried underneath the OR. Ever notice that the OR, library and the courthouse form an obtuse triangle? You may not think there is a connection but there is. It's all about your IP address, and Obama, and pancakes. Stop eating pancakes.

July 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM  
Anonymous Chuck said...

Brant you share the ip adresses with Bob.

- Chuck

July 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM  
Anonymous cashier on line 7 said...

Brant why isn't anyone over at the OR reporting on the STATE WORKERS GETTING FOOD STAMPS WHILE THEY HAVE TONS OF MONEY IN THE BANK!? Why isn't anyone reporting on Rendell and Deweese mis use of state and federal money? I know some of these state workers, they come into my store that I work at with food stamps, and I know they have tons of cash, yet they get food stamps! I know one cpl that comes into the store, an elder cpl no kids at home.. tons of cash in the bank, big home and nice cars. They come thru my line with a food stamp card with 680 dollars on it. FOR TWO PEOPLE! Someone should check into that. I will take the food stamp card and tape it to the ceiling fan.

July 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Chuck, what the heck are you talking about?

July 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Jonesie was just wondering about all the former Mayview patients... I should email him that wherever they are, they have internet access...

Sorry, can't chat... gotta post anonymous jackatards' ip addresses on the innerwebs so Obama's SS corps can go take their guns and socialize their medicine!

July 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM  
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July 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM  
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July 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM  
Anonymous Newslady said...

This is really getting boring. Please, Brant, post a new rant about something - ANYTHING!

How about the Roethlisberger lawsuit? I'd like to hear your opinions about how the local TV news stations are sending reporters to Nevada just for "no comment" from hotel workers, lawyers, etc.

What a monumental waste of time and money.

July 22, 2009 at 2:44 PM  
Anonymous tard said...

YEAH BRANT, all the tards want to hear about the REAL important stuff like football players and american idol! LIKE YEAH FOR SURE!

-tard at the OR that lickes the windows

July 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM  
Anonymous tard said...

lickes (lol) licks! pal! my blinkers don't work well

July 22, 2009 at 2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's bush's fault that Roethlisberger has his ass in a sling right now!

Bob can you tell me about executive order 13489?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489

Why hide?

July 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

No, I can't... I went to the link, and read it... and apparently I am not seeing what the big deal is...

July 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

executive order 13489

Hides his vault. aka his long form of his birth certificate. Every President until now has shown their vault.

He was the president less then 20 hrs and signed executive order 13489. To hide his.

His own Grandmother said she was at his birth in Kenya.

His approval ratings are falling faster then Carters. I'm sure it will come out sooner or later. Maybe they will throw him in jail, take all of his money and make him repay this nation, but I don't think he has 23.7 trillion.

July 22, 2009 at 3:30 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

I knew the crazy would seep out eventually. Will the buffoons who think Obama was born in Kenya still be making their tired claims in 2012?

July 22, 2009 at 3:32 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

How is that different, exactly, than Executive Order 12667, which was signed by GW in 2001... which revoked Executive Order 12667, signed by Ronald Regan in 1989?

Seriously, quote the actual words in this order that are significant... because it's really not all that obvious to me.

July 22, 2009 at 3:35 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

And why the hell wouldn't Hillary Clinton have told us all about it... or for that matter, ANYBODY WHO IS RELEVANT IN MODERN POLITICS OR MEDIA??

July 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

brant how can you support a man that has spent upwards to 23.7 trillion in six months. Wants to put you on summers eve health care?
If his health care plan is sooo freaking great, why doesn't congress go on it?

The truth is, he is going to be a bigger failure then Carter. I know how you love Palin. It's sad, by the time 2012 rolls around, someone like Palin could easily walk into the White House.

July 22, 2009 at 3:38 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Why do you think his plan is better than Congress's plan?

I thought the public option part was simply better than being uninsured?

If we have the most awesome health care system in the world... how come the rest of the world isn't trying to emulate ours?

July 22, 2009 at 3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was in the media. A guy tried to take it to court. He failed. Now there is a guy in TX that got the attention of a federal judge that will hear his case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMSZQfvqKcI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzytGaDWT9Q

If Summers Eve has nothing to hide, just show the vault.

How about the Major that had his orders revoked cause he said Obama wasn't his commander in cheif? It is in the media, just not the OR. People are talking about it. The Army revoked a Major's orders to go to war cause he brought it up. The day before he was to go to court and prove his side, the Army REVOKED his orders to keep his mouth shut. Major Cook paid for this, he was fired from his civilian job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL2sbFf28c8

July 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Yeah, we talked about that idiot... looks like the army got off easy and relieved themselves of a sped without having to find a reason to kick him out.

July 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rest of the world that has govt ran health care, do come here to get medical attention. The leaders of other nations come here for health care! It's a fact.

July 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM  
Anonymous chuck said...

Ellipses, why not just let it go to court? Instead of revoking the orders, why not let the Major make his case in court? Cause then it would all fall apart around Obama faster then it already is.

-chuck

July 22, 2009 at 4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CKj72GQLI&NR=1

from the left view

July 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM  
Anonymous the anonymous one said...

WOW! Brant did you piss some people off or what!? Maybe it was BOB!

Shep said it best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxvunbIWNyI&feature=fvw

July 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Thanks for the links. Lynn Samuels sounds like a nut from the get go, but she really seals it when she invokes WorldNet Daily as if it's a reliable source. And that last video pretty much sums it up. Loonies are all around us.

July 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Brant said...
Wow, E, you were right about the retarded people.

July 22, 2009 7:23 AM"

real classy comment by the blog host. real classy

July 22, 2009 at 9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bob...Do you see people from the US going to Canada for treatment or the other way around?
Everyone in America has healthcare right now...Illegal or legal, insured it uninsured. That is pretty 'awesome' don't you think?

July 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM  
Blogger Brant said...

According to Webster, retarded means " slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress." I think that applies when someone resorts to calling another person a "p@ssy" or a "fag" or a "crack whore" just because they disagree with their point of view, or if they continue to express a belief that the president is some sort of foreigner when that issue was put to rest ages ago, at least among people who don't wear tinfoil hats. I'll stand by my previous comment. If the shoe fits, wear it.

July 23, 2009 at 4:02 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

To the last anon...

Yes, I know of many people who go to Canada for their health care.

Which brings up a funny situation... health care costs different amounts depending on what state you live in... so why do people keep going to the doctor in the state they live in if it's more expensive? Probably because they don't think "Oh, if I go two states over, it's cheaper."

Similarly, if you live in Spokane, it probably doesn't every occur to you to go to Kamloops.

July 23, 2009 at 8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

interesting, blog host, how you left off the beginning of Websters definition (not surprising, just interesting)

sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

and classless from the host.

July 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brant, being " slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress" does not make someone mean, ignorant or prone to flinging profanities on blogs. I am not sure what causes such behavior, but it seems to manifest itself quite a bit on your blog.

Your sentiments are insensitive, juvenile and rather unenlightened.

You throw out the term "retard" as the ultimate insult. Unfortunately you are insulting the wrong people.

I offer my own definition for your consideration:
bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Please consider how others might feel about the hateful insults of you and your "group". Your insensitivity attacks an entire group of people.

I have no use for the profanity in anyone's posts, and this blog seems to attract and tolerate plenty of it, but do not blame it on the "retards".

Dave Lyle

July 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Just for clarification, I am generally a little quicker to drop the R-bomb than most...

I am happy to bear that burden and take my lashings for it...

July 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well said, dave. perhaps the bloggist should put his tinfoil hat away. he now greatly resembles his previous comment.

July 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ellipses, I don't know to many people that run to Canada to get health care for breast cancer, wonder what is the rate of survival in Canada is for breast cancer vs Americas rate.

Socialized health care is eugenics.

July 23, 2009 at 6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, I know of many people who go to Canada for their health care."


Seriously? Why?

July 23, 2009 at 6:47 PM  
Blogger Brant said...

Dave, just for clarification, I did not call people "retards." I don't think anyone here has ever seen me use that word. I said they were retarded, referring to the part of the definition that speaks of people who are "limited in intellectual or emotional development." That's in no way an epithet or a slap at people who are born with disabilities. The people I am referring to had the capability to raise the level of their discourse, but chose not to because of their own insecurities and prejudices. The term retarded is listed as "sometimes offensive." But, of course, pretty much everything in our politically correct society is considered offensive these days. And, yes, there are some bigots on the blog, and in society in general. We see evidence of it every day.

July 23, 2009 at 8:09 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

"Seriously? Why?"

Drugs cost less... and they could get in to see a doctor quicker than at home... That last part doesn't have anything to do with the health care system so much as some neighboring Canadian communities are less densely populated than in towns on our side of the border.

I bought contacts from Canada a couple years ago... which is illegal... but I'm badass like that and it turns my wife on to know she's married to an outlaw

July 24, 2009 at 8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, that certainly isn't health care as far as I am concerned. People might go there for their prescriptions but that isn't health care. You know no one who went there for cancer treatments or to get a new hip. Yeah. You know a lot of people who go to Canada for health care....What a joke!

July 24, 2009 at 12:18 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I don't know anybody with cancer or a new hip... so technically, I don't know anyone who has gone to America for those things, either...

Sorry that I don't know people with the specific illnesses that you deem to require health care... I only know people with other specific illnesses that you can get fixed at best buy or THE giant eagle, I guess...

Is your vision coverage through your auto insurance policy? Because I guess that isn't health care... Seeing a dermatologist isn't health care? How about podiatry?

Why don't you give me a list of things that fall under the umbrella of "health care according to random anonymous person" and I will let you know which of the items I have experience with...

Remember that talk we all had about retards?

July 24, 2009 at 12:34 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Yeah yeah yeah, and in mother Russia, dog walk man.

July 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think my car ins. covers cancer.

You can by contacts cheaper in Canada? Get you some.. Drugs? Get you some of that too.. I don't care. The law might. Here in America we pay more for drugs, and blinker care then most. Fact. We are first to get it, and pays for research. It's why our health care rocks the rest of world.

July 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

"Best healthcare in the world" doesn't really mean dick to those who can't afford it...

Ferrari's are pretty awesome driving machines... but a lot of people settle for Hondas...

I'd rather have Honda Health Care than Ferrari Health Care.

I would give up the multitudes of boner pills and sleeping pills for the ability to keep my house after getting treated for falling off a ladder... But, to each his own

July 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your 'sky is falling' approach to this argument is silly. Here in America everyone has access to Ferrari health care. If you don;t have insurance you are billed after the fact. If you need care that isn't covered you sell your house or rally around your neighbors, you see it every day. Government isn't the answer. No one has ever lost his house because he fell off a ladder, it just doesn't happen. Life happens and people have catastrophes. That doens't mean I should have to pay for them or others pay for me.
Keep goverment out of my uterus.

Annie Oakley

July 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Does anyone else want to dig up the stats on the relationship between medical expenses, personal bankruptcies, and foreclosures?

I'm kinda in the middle of a work thing right now...

July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The figures aren't relevant. I think this sums it up...

'Life happens and people have catastrophes. That doens't mean I should have to pay for them or others pay for me.'

July 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

I don't think that breaking your foot qualifies as a catastrophe... yet, if an uninsured person breaks their foot, they could very well incur medical bills that would cause them to lose their house.

I have absolutely NO problem paying a little more in taxes so that people I don't know don't have their lives completely ruined by catastrophes. If you want to be 100% self reliant, go live in the woods.

July 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's absolutely ridiculous. Seriously.

Who is the retard?

July 28, 2009 at 4:39 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

What is ridiculous, specifically?

July 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LISTEN E, THERE IS A THING CALLED A HOSPITAL LIEN, THEY CAN'T TAKE YOUR HOUSE, OR EVEN CLAIM A LIEN POSITION. SO YOUR STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN YOU LOSE YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF A HOSPITAL LIEN.

July 28, 2009 at 6:10 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Really? And how is that hospital lien thing working out?

"Half of foreclosures due to medical expenses"
http://allnurses.com/social-health-care/half-foreclosures-attributable-406604.html

"Half of foreclosures due to medical expenses"
http://www.ourfuture.org/fast-fact/2008104001/medical-bills-lack-healthcare-responsible-many-home-foreclosures

"49% of foreclosures due to medical expenses"
http://works.bepress.com/christopher_robertson/2/

"49% of foreclosures due to medical costs"
http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2008/10/06/medical-causes-of-home-mortgage-foreclosures/

There were over 3 million foreclosures in 2008. 49% of them had a medical issue at it's core. "Unmanageable medical bills" accounted for 23% of Medical-related foreclosures. So, 49% of 3 million = 1,470,000 "Medical-related foreclosures"

23% of 1,470,000 = 338,100 people that lost their house specifically because of "unmanageable medical expenses."

But now we have a problem... you said "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN YOU LOSE YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF A HOSPITAL LIEN." And yet, apparently, there were 1/3 of a million people who lost their house last year due to expenses incurred due to a medical issue. Did they have a hospital lien? I don't know... but we do know that a) they got sick
b) they racked up a lot of medical bills
c) they had their house foreclosed upon

You are welcome.

July 29, 2009 at 8:02 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Holy cow, here's another one!

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHealth/whats-most-likely-to-bankrupt-you.aspx

July 29, 2009 at 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, all of those comments, and 40 of them from Ellipsis. He should be paid for pushing up the ORs internet presense up. It is becoming tiring and I will no longer read your blogs.

July 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

No response to the fact that I was, yet again, CORRECT?

Come on, now... you (anonymous) made an objective claim to something and I refuted it handily... and then... silence.

Come on now...

August 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The government wants to and does own--(a) banks (b) car industry (c) the new cars bought under the clunker law (d) health care (e) your privacy (f) your jobs (g) your wallets (h) some houses. Higher taxes for everybody is coming from the state and national government. When is the public going to open their eyes and see what's going on!

August 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Your list is inaccurate

August 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2009/07/deconstructing-the-right-wing-lies-health-bill.html

August 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My list is accurate, and believe me, there will be more to come. We started to lose our freedoms, starting with the cigarettes and that was a while ago.

August 5, 2009 at 9:42 PM  
Blogger Ellipses said...

Good luck getting people to rally around cigarettes. Remind me to tell you why your list is inaccurate tomorrow. I need to sleep. L8r

August 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM  

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